or he can surprise us and secretly plan with the Russian government (bc they are friends) to nuke the world and end all existence except for themselves ! yes, we have to wait to see what he can do but in the time span that he said all of his nasty remarks it has implemented bad thoughts and beliefs into some people's minds that are not very good... i dont feel like taking screenshots and posting them on here but if you have Twitter check out @ShaunKing on twitter where he posts things of what has happened to black people, Hispanics, Muslims, etc over the past few days. one of the examples is that a 10 year old girl had a "Donald trump" pulled on her by a boy. (If you don't know what a "Donald trump" is have fun looking it up) and when the little boy was asked why he did that he said "if the president can do it can't I?" obviously the thing I hate about trump is that he has been such a bad role model while running for president.. I'm not saying I want him to crash and burn but just because of all of his horrible remarks so many disgusting things have been happening to women, people of colour, Muslims, Hispanics, etc Donald trump isn't at the best start he could be at because now he needs to control the little nasty army he has made and yes, I know referring to people and things as "rascist, homophobic, etc" (so I replaced it with "nasty" lmao)isn't the nicest thing but it's truly what they are, and there are no "nicer" words to use. I believe that if their actions aren't very nice then there is no nice word or way to describe it besides using rude words to describe their rude ways
can we just take a moment that you guys did the opposite of both my posts alright this is the last time I'll try to convey this to you people (besides the people I'm agreeing with because they somehow agree with me it's a miracle). This is what I'm talking about This is what I mean She's 100% right - thank you Dusty Both sides can be in the wrong. Both sides can be missing information. Yeah, there's nothing nicer than calling someone racist or homophobic. But you know what's nicer? Not saying it. I'm fairly sure that one of the girls from the whole "locker room" shit thing came out and said he was extremely respectful and he didn't do the things he's said to do. Again, "fairly sure" means I'm not 100% sure. I'm fairly sure. Don't try to argue with me if I'm wrong. It's like trying to sue somebody for something that was misunderstood. It gets you nowhere and it's a waste of time. And, Phoenix, I literally never even said that. I said I agree it's good to discuss it. What's not good is outright screaming at the top of your lungs that Trump is a this that the other thing. That Hillary is a this that the other thing. It's good to discuss your point of view to broaden someone else's view. To see your side. That's why there's never just one side in the courtroom. They need both, or every side. Granted, this is not a courtroom. What I'm saying is, this post shouldn't just be "Trump," yeah he made it about Trump to begin with, but we shouldn't just be talking about Trump. We could discuss each side. What we've both heard. Not just be so close-minded that you don't even want to hear the other side and think you're automatically right. I'm not saying anyone here is doing that, but I'm saying people are doing that on the grand scheme of things. Let's not fight, let's not argue - let's have a civil conversation. I've said why I side with Trump. I've left out parts that could potentially be offensive. I've played nice. Let's see where we can get with being civil. All my posts are basically pointless, but I'm just so frustrated because as soon as I made one post on Instagram that I was for Trump I got attacked like I'm some racist piece of shit who's against my own gender. The person is not the person they're voting for. There's pros and cons of every candidate/president for both sides. I don't agree with everything Trump says. I don't disagree with everything Hillary says. I can't even vote so why does it even matter what I think for now? For now. If you feel the need to argue my post or talk to me about it, reread this post. It's all in the wording. Third, and last, attempt. I'm done trying to prove my point if no one gets it except for a few people.
This is tearing this family apart! Not really, just thought it was funny to say. Bobsled is a funny word to say. Bobsled. Bobsled. John always rambles in 1 size text. Bobsled. Aboot. Manitoba. Canada on my brian.
Il respond more in depth to some people once I get off work, but tbh, I think it's great that we are having political debates. A difference in opinions and debates is what makes humanity and the Internet so great
the one thing that bugs me about people saying it's not nice to call trump racist, homophobic, etc is that he actually is racist and homophobic he has said it himself by not suppporting the LGBTQ community, and saying he should deport all Muslims because they are terrorist calling all Muslims terrorists is a racist stereotype and therefore trump is racist, if trump says that he should build a wall between Mexico and America because he wants to keep all Mexicans out because they bring in drugs and criminals that is racist because not all Mexicans are drug dealers and criminals if trump doesn't not support/dislikes the LGBTQ community then he is homophobic if someone is something why can't I say they are what they are? yes, it is not nice to call people that, but if it's true then it's just facts. being racist and homophobic is not very nice either is it? people are confronting trump for being racist and homophobic so why is that a bad thing? people are standing up for other people's rights and dignity how is that not a nice thing? when it's not nice to call someone racist and homophobic is when they actually aren't racist and homophobic if no one says nothing then it will most likely continue
No the quotes were what you did say earlier and the rest was me talking about my perspective. Additionally, no-one is screaming at the top of their lungs No-one wants to intentionally cause divisions (the same way Trump does) but we're challenging each other's perspective, which is a very good thing (i.e. what people are saying about Trump's honesty compared to Clinton's deceitful nature). I've certainly re-phrased my views because of what other people said as they've made me think about what my views actually are, because everyone's made great points so far (really enjoying the discussion btw). The EU referendum saw a 100%+ spike in hate crimes across the UK, and the country came out of it more divided than when we went in, and many people shared the feeling that the referendum campaign was bitter, divisive, full of half-truths & untruths - just like the US presidential election - and, ultimately, was nothing more than a way to kick the establishment. Success isn't possible without unity, & both the US and the UK need to be united individually in order to make progress out of the sh*tstorm both countries find themselves in. However, scrutiny is one of the most important ways of ensuring the government remains accountable. Thus, it is necessary to scrutinise and hold Trump to account from day one. I think the real problem here is that both the two major parties have shifted away from representation of the people's interests to representation of corporate interests, causing widespread apathy & alienation towards politics and explaining why such an incredibly inexperienced, offensive but populist candidate like Trump won: people feel worse off than they were 10-20 years ago and establishment politics have let them down. Hence, people turn to an outsider, such as Trump, because they feel he can bring real change (which I doubt) and because they have nothing left to lose either way. (P.S. Just gonna shout out here that I think this thread displays how passionate young people can be about subjects they care about. All too often, young people are written off as people who aren't interested in politics but if the suitable education and engagement is sought after, then I think people our age have so much to offer to the debate).
I'll reply at some point but rn I'm outside in like 30° weather and i lost my gloves so i cant feel my fingers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ okay for some reason it wont let me copy this into my other post so if someone could merge them that'd be greatly appreciated i didnt mean literally screaming at the top of your lungs nor was i directing it towards you sorry if that was unclear pho <3
Okay, here's another point of discussion. For those of you who haven't heard, Trump says he plans on making it illegal to burn the American flag. He would be able to do this because he is most likely going to nominate a conservative justice to the Supreme Court (because if you didn't know, in the past it has be ruled that you are allowed to burn the flag because it is freedom of expression). I personally do not agree with this at all because it quite obviously violates our freedom of expression. I also think it is hypocritical of the Republican Party as a whole because they refuse to pass gun control laws because they "violate the 2nd Amendment".
If I'm honest, anyone who is saying "I'm not a racist, but I agree with trump" or something along those lines... Is in fact, a racist. Now I don't believe you have any ill will in regards to your political opinions here, but let me just pick your statements apart here. Your statement is on bold, my response is below it: It's not a stereotype, it's that ISIS can just as easily get in if we let all muslims in. Yeah, I agree they should let the muslims in but I also agree that I'd rather TEMPORARILY block them out until we get ISIS under control. That is a contradiction in itself. It is a stereotype that Muslims are terrorists. A one built on religiou intolerance and racism. Isis and their followers make up a 1% of the 1% of the 1% of Islam. After 9/11 most of the Muslim community came out and denounced al-Qaida for their attacks. And what did we do to repay them? Hate crimes, stereotypes, and a war we never had any part it. So you could say in a sense that ISIS is our fault. But never mind that. My point being, banning Muslims from entering the US won't stop ISIS, it will only give them another reason to hate us. And it will give a reason to those affected to go to ISIS, against the U.S. Furthermore, that ban based on religion is just in humane. If any country were to ban, say, Christians, from entering it, there would be a massive backlash so severe that there might even be a civil war. So why is it ok then if we make the same awful remarks about the Islam religion? He said about the Mexicans that a third or something (again, cah't remember exact words) commit crimes in America. So you want to let someone in who couldn't potentially be a threat? Once again, this is a stereotype built on racism and no factual basis. I could say the very same thing about whites being drug traffickers, rapists, and crime do-ers. But of course nobody cares when somebody who is white commits a crime, no no, only when they are Latino, black, or Muslim. Then we get our knickers in a twist and go "oh shit, this is a problem". Many of the immigrants from Mexico are hard working families and people just looking for a new life. That is what America is advertising, isn't it? Freedom? A silly lie. Because if you are a non-white, or in the lower class, chances are you wont have those freedoms because you struggle with poverty or racism, or both. Once again I went off on a tangent there but it is a point that must be made. Furthermore, taking away from the racist remarks surrounding Mexicans that trump made, let's look at his solution to the "problem". A Great Wall. Woohoo! Heres some news though. It's not 1100 and the Mongols are invading! No no, it's 2016 and there are planes, trains, automobiles, boats. Less then 50% of illegal immigration from Mexico comes from crossing the border via land. Most swim, or smuggle themselves onto a jet, or get a boat, car, something else. Point being, even if there is a problem (which I don't really think there is), building a wall won't stop it. I want us to think about how great of an outcome it can be instead of hoping he fails Of course we all know he will succeed. What we are debating is whether he even has the policies, beliefs, and attitude to do so. And from the things he has said this election cycle and before that, we don't have any confidence he will succeed. And now the next: Same drill, let's do it: You can't do anything about it right now. You are right, but that doesn't stop us from debating and having a voice! How much does the president actually affect you. More then you might think. Any laws he passes will affect us, which include new taxes, infrastructure demands, exc. exc.. But what he affects as well is the world view of America. If the world does not view us too greatly, then our economy will falter and thus we will fall into another recession; This made people lose their homes, life savings, and jobs. This could be one of your families if there were to be a recession. So my point being, yes, the president does have an affect on you. What can the president directly do to effect you. Same response as #2 Now the problems in America itself go a lot deeper then trump, or this election. Phoenix touched on it lightly earlier, but I'm about to go a lot deeper into it. There are a lot of problems, all tied directly to eachother like a web or knot. So please brace for this next bit. The real Root of our countries issues can be attributed to the widening gap in our politics, if you want to shorten it. But beyond that, the widening gap in our politics can really be credited to the widening gap between the rich and the poor, and how this ties into race and religon. This also ties into crime, jobs, and where racism itself takes hold. Right now you are probably thinking "what the fuck, so confused". It's confusing, until this issue is elaborated on. Which is what I will try to do. When America was founded, we were obviously white Europeans who had racist beliefs against black people. hence the Atlantic slave trade, civil war, blah blah blah. But basically after slavery, share cropping took over. Which is like slavery except people get paid, but then they have to pay their owners to live on their farm. So in effect it is slavery, just complicated. This went on until the 1930s and then Jim Crow laws took effect. The Jim Crow laws were basically these set of laws in the south that entailed whites were better then blacks. You could simplify it and say it was segregation, but it goes beyond that a bit. There was also segregated housing not only affected blacks, but also affected all minority's. Segregated housing was this sort of grading system for neighborhoods. If your neighborhood had non whites, bad grade. All white neighborhood, good grade. Now the effects of slavery, share cropping, the Jim Crow laws, and segregated housing still haunt us to this day. Because most African American families in our country can trace their roots back to someone who was a slave. Most minority's (latinos & Mexicans mainly, but also some Chinese, Cubans, exc..), either were affected by the segregated housing or immigrated somewhere along the way. (Whether it be them, their parents, grandparents, exc..) Whatever the cause, the effect has been the same. Blacks, Latinos, and other minority's stay in poverty. Now you might be wondering how this translates to our modern society. But here's now: If you are born into poverty, you can't get a good education, due to how shit public schooling is in our country. (Richer the area, better schooling. Worse the area, worse schooling). If you can't get a good education at a child level, you can't really get a good university or college level education. But then again, that won't matter because you won't have the money to pay for college or university anyways. So without the necessary education to get a high paying job, you have to get a minimum wage job just to get ends meet. And thus, you are now an adult and are still in poverty. Once you have children, the cycle continues. This has gone on for generations, and will go on for generations at a worsening rate. Now this affects crime in the sense that those who can't get enough money from legal means for their family will turn to illegal means to get the money. Whether this means drugs, sex trafficking, bank robberies, exc exc... So this will mean that inevitably, the crime stats will attribute more crimes to non whites then whites. If you had been told that before hand, you would say that is a racist lie. But really what you can now say is that the crime stats are true, but due to the effects of systematic racism. So that is how the income gap relates to race, religion, crime, jobs, exc... But you are still wondering how this all relates back to the widening political divide in our country. Now the political divide can in large part be attributed to the reasons stated above in that 5 paragraph essay. But it does go deeper then that. Conservatives/republicans are TRADITIONALLY (note the emphasis) richer people, most times white. Upper class. Liberals/democrats are TRADITIONALLY (emphasis) the minority's in our country. Lower class When I am talking about liberalism and conservatism in this sense though, it is in regards to fiscal matters (taxes, health care, exc) not social or amendment matters (abortion, same sex marriage)and gun rights arguments). If we bring social and amendment matters into it, then this gets a lot more complicated. Now obviously it gets a lot more complicated then that but that is what the pattern usually entails. Now the issue is that both sides are very stuck into their beliefs, rightfully so. Both conservatives and liberals have compelling arguments as to how the country is run. But the problem is that neither has really been good at compromising. Because the upper class doesn't want to get rid of their money, via increases in taxes, that will go towards helping the lower class. And the lower class doesn't want more taxes, or increase in costs, since they already have it bad enough. This can be simplified down to captialism. Liberals and conservatives have different views on where the money should go, who should have the money, and how the poor should be able to out of poverty. In a capitalistic society such as America, you can see the issue when the rich are told to cough up money, whether they need it or not. So until there is a common solution to this to help shorten the gap between rich and poor, this argument and debate keeps going on. And thus, our country still has these problems. Now what happened this election cycle is very different. You had some of the traditional conservatives flock to Clinton, and some of the traditional liberals flock to trump. Which is why this election has been so polarizing. I know this is a lot to think about and I just crammed like 15 paragraphs down everyone's throat, but here is my point with this entire essay. This election, this presidency, it's an important debate to have. But the true issues are the systematic issues, the ones that have taken hold of our country for generations and have been right in front of our eyes, yet have not been solved.
Just a few quick things to add on (and I'll actually be using my APUSH knowledge, WOO HOO). So back pre-civil war, there was a very famous famine that you may have heard of, which was the potato famine in Ireland. If you don't know what that is, basically there was a disease that affected potatoes and killed them off, and potatoes were the Irish's main food. So, many people began starving and were faced with the choice to either : A. Starve to death or B. Give up everything they had and go to America. Not surprisingly, a lot of people decided to move to America. Once these people reached America, they didn't have enough money to move out west and get farm land, so they often stayed in the city in which they entered, like Boston or New York. The Irish were so desperate for money that they would take any job, so many ended up as factory workers for very little pay. The Americans viewed this as the Irish taking there jobs, even though most rational people wouldn't want to work in a factory because it was so dangerous. This caused for many Americans to comit hate crimes against the Irish and outright stereotype them. In Boston, many places that were looking for workers would put up "No Irish" signs simply because they hated the Irish so much. This led on to groups of nativists and the Know Nothing political party. Both of these groups did not think immigrants should be allowed in the country and hated them. Now, that all sounds pretty similar to some stuff in more recent history. For example, during the Civil rights movement, there was a lot of segregation and "No blacks" signs, similar to the discrimination the Irishmen had face pre-civil war. You could even relate the Mexicans to the Irish, because many Mexicans are viewed as "taking American jobs", even though nobody would want that job anyways. There are more comparisons I could make, but frankly I'm too lazy. But basically, I feel like history is repeating itself. You look back and say "Why would anyone hate someone because they're Irish, that's absurd." and I feel like people need to realize that hating on a whole race is absurd and won't solve anything.
America doesn't actually have a true democracy, their political system is actually a representative republic, where the people vote for a specific "ideal" that represents them and their thoughts on how a country should be run. The UK itself doesn't have a true democracy either, and neither does Canada; if it was a true democracy, every single citizen would be voting on every single issue that may rise. More information on a representative republic here. Anyway, this is to keep a generalized area down to a specific amount of college electoral votes, and whomever gets more votes in that specific area would get represented by votes toward only one party; not a mixture of parties. This is part of the essence of a representative republic; a state or specific area gets represented by a vote or couple votes toward a single party.
It's not. I don't believe that all Muslims are terrorists for a second. I have never said that nor do I plan to. I'm saying that parts of ISIS are Muslim people (NOT a stereotype, it's a fact), therefore they can just slither their way into the US. I would be saying the same thing if they were British or German or anything like that. We don't background check as far as I know. They could just as easily get in as anyone else and cause a mass shooting. It's literally based on factual information like of course I never looked it up because I'm lazy but I'm fairly sure it's not "built on racism." Believe what you want but I straight up said that it wasn't a stereotype. It's not???? are you blind????? lol ????? ? ? ?? ??// ?? ?????/ I'm not a racist. People who side with Trump aren't always racist. If someone doesn't want the wall built nor have the borders regulated and still want Trump to be president, is that still considered them being racist? It doesn't imply for me, but would it be considered racist? I don't believe so. Now, granted some people are actually racist who voted for Trump, but isn't that also considered a stereotype? Riddle me that, Jeremy. I agree with you. If anyone things I'm like disproving my own point, I'm not. It's more of a select group within the race than the entire race. People translate that and morph it into what they want to hear: "I hate Muslims and Mexicans." It's not true. For most, anyway. Also, we do have the right to protest PEACEFULLY. We do NOT have the right to vandalize property, harass others, etc. The whole "burning the flag is freedom of expression" is bull shit. It doesn't express yourself, it just makes you an asshole. The flag has so much more meaning than just the POTUS. It's so much more than just the president. If you burn the flag that's just straight up disrespect. Also, on a side note, I locked all my doors yesterday before I left for the mall and I don't have a house key and I thought my parents did. Keyword: thought. They were out watching Inferno at like 5PM and I got back at 9PM and they told me my dad had to climb through one of the back windows and unlock the front door. Apparently they didn't actually have a house key. Rip.
Doesn't mean it's not your right to be able to burn it. As my very wise Civics teacher in 8th grade told me, you can't view rights in a biased manner. Just because you find flag burning to be disrespectful doesn't mean people can not do it, just like some people put Trump signs in their yard because they support Trump, but that does not give anyone the right to take out that sign because they find Trump to be disrespectful.
Oh believe me, when it comes to immigration, we have background checks. For a person to immigrate to the country, the process will take most times 9-18 months. In that time you have to get your papers approved by the FBI, homeland security, and all the immigration offices. The issue is that when people see one Muslim doing a terrorist act, everyone is like "hang em, go get em". If anything, the issue posing a bigger threat is the fact that if the 1/1000000 terrorist were to slip in, the gun laws are so lax in our country. ISIS literally mocks us for how easy it is to get a gun in our country. So what we need to do is get stricter gun laws. You are wrong. It is a stereotype built on the effects of racism in our country. I don't know how you fail to see it that way. Also, if you want to make a statement and say it's factual, please look it up. Making a statement with such carry as that needs some hard evidence. Anyone who sides with trump is actively supporting a president with racist ideals. That in effect would also be considered racism. Now I'm sure you don't have any bad intentions regarding trump or your beliefs. But that does not change the fact that supporting trump is saying that you are ok to a racist, xenophobic bigot running our country. You should be able to see that, I hope. For the most part protests have actually been peaceful. People are just blowing it out of proportion and making every protest look like a fucking riot. Not the case. Also I think the burning of the flag is completely in a person's right. Every type of protest is going to be seen as disrespectful by somebody so to say that the flag burning is any worse is just a messed up notion. And you are right, the flag stands for so much more then the president. At least in my eyes. But what the flag stands for is a perception unique to everyone. There isn't one common definition as to what our flag stands for. So to scrutinize someone over that is also wrong. That's unfortunate lol. At least nobody broke in.
