It came down to who seems dedicated and who shows maturity. This is a quote from le Kash on the Moderator Elections Results thread. *I have no hate/don't disrespect Gleba in any way. *I didn't apply for Moderator so this ain't no butthurt comment It says that a player 'who seems dedicated' and 'who shows maturity' will get Mod. If you have known Gleba for less than one week, then how do you know that he is fully dedicated to the server, and that he is mature? Also another thing is that he is older than most candidates (17), and we've seen as time goes on that Staff members begin to leave. This may be just they lose interest or get tired of doing the same thing every day or it could be because once you become older, there's more work in terms of school and studying takes over the position as most important and topples over the server. Thought I'd add this: As of right now, there are 5 old Staff Members that are now Staff Members that have reapplied and given a position (This is 5/11, that means over 45% of Staff Members are old ones. I really think there should be a 2 Mod Application cooldown, so that new/non-Staff Members can have a realistic chance to become Mod.): DustyAshton Kashers Miner PhoenixStudios RazerH Yeah okay that's it, thanks. I'd like Kash aswell as any Staff member to reply, not really a member.
Or maybe it could be because threads like this that make the staff fucked up insecure, which is actually very understandable.
Okay first off, Miner wasn't a staff member in the past (to my knowledge). Second off, I've stated MULTIPLE times why I left and why I reapplied. I made a thread on it too, so if you really don't know by now, check that now. Finally, I don't see the reason why it SHOULD/DOES matter that there are retired staff who end up reapplying and get accepted. The whole point of this moderator application session was to find dedicated and knowledgeable staff members so more time can be dedicated towards making the server better and not wasting time on choosing staff every couple months. In this round, it just so happened that Razer and I applied and got accepted. As the staff have said multiple times, the applications were each judged individually and the staff team as a whole worked together to decide who would be best.
Personally I believe that, it's down to the server, why should they really give you a chance to be mod? They're really doing you a favour by even giving you the chance to begin with. Back years ago I've heard the way they used to do it was down to popularity of the people among admins. So in the end, does it really matter? I get your concerns for the server but do you really think you're the first person to have considered this? I don't think you are, it's like you're thinking for the server. Plus it's their server, sure there's a community that they have to try and please but this isn't about what the community thinks should be right because that's likely to give a biased opinion so as far as I know they tried their best to give everyone what they all wanted. But in the end there's always going to be complications.
Old staff get elected again because they know what they're doing and are trustworthy. New staff get elected again because they look like they'd be a good candidate to moderate. Simply put. Get over it.
About the third argument. I personally think what Bins is trying to convey is that we should have more new staff members. Selecting retired staff members makes it seem like there's a sort of bias. I'm not trying to say that the choices that were made are bad. I just think that instead of looking at new applicants with potential, the owners look at retired staff. And with the Gleba argument, I think Gleba will be a great staff member no matter what. I disagree with all the arguments against him. Accepting his moderator application shows that we're accepting of new members and not biased towards any player. pls dun shoot me. this is just my opinion. (^.^)
I get what he's trying to say, but they're not being biased. Also, it's not just the owners who pick staff members.
The fact of the matter is that there were 3 open positions. Former staff received a majority of votes cast in the election so they received 2 of the 3 places. But we accommodated different views by recruiting a new staff member as well. At the end of the day, we followed the community's choice. If so many people have such a problem with this, maybe we'll just abandon the idea of mod elections altogether. Can we leave this issue now?
This. Also, stating "we just looked at the retired mods" really is a slap in the face, considering 5 staff members each took atleast half an hour to discuss every potential candidate, and if you agree that 9+10 is not 21 (aka IQ greater than an apple) you should be able to figure out that that took us a long time. Now seeing all this bullshit (I was debating if I should put this choice of words, but really it reflects my thoughts) come up just really fucking annoys the shit out of me. Additionally, if you really want to help the server improve, please provide constructive criticism with ways of approaching the problem that are thought through. "Pick more new staff": if the community explicitly disagrees through their vote, should we just ignore the vote then? Please take at least 5 mins of your brain time and put yourself in our position (I feel like you can afford 5 mins as we spent hours on this). Then, if you figure out a better solution, please enlighten us. As always, these are just my thoughts on the matter PS: 1v1 me m8
Okay so here's my say on this matter. I had planned to say it on the Mod Noms page but it was locked. Anyways, Honestly, everyone who says that this was a bad move is being a brat. If you really have that much arrogance to make thread after thread, post after post about who deserved and who didn't deserve staff, that you shouldn't even be on BuildCraftia. I've had it with people getting angry with staff choices, and with all this arguing. You have NO IDEA what happens behind closed doors, so don't even talk about what you think is going on. Second, though Gleba is brand new to the community, don't forget the days when YOU were a member. We've all been a member at some time, and some people are being more mature then others. "But Word, who are you to talk about maturity?" A human being with a heart. If you truly believe that the staff that were chosen were bad picks, then you don't fall into this category. I know I was one of the players against rehiring old staff, but I truly believe that these staff members all deserve a second chance, as Razer quit practically a year ago, and Dusty had a 1000% valid reason to quit. Normally after a post like this, I'd share my opinion, but I know most of the time it causes fights, thus I'm keeping quiet. I do have one last thing to say, however, that I couldn't post in the actually thread: Congratulations to Razer, Dusty, and Gleba.
For the love of God, guys. It's Minecraft. Let your hair down. Phoenix stated that the staff will not change the results at this point. The amount of work that the entire staff team put into the moderator elections is unfathomable, and the point that they spent 5+ hours deciding staff means this: We are sitting here on our asses, complaining about something that is out of our power, and therefore is absolutely stupid to argue over. The staff put enough work into this than half of the builds on the creative server. Be grateful, it's better that we had these new, (or old) staff, over having a minimal amount of moderators. It's for the best of the server. If someone calls me out for cursing on the forums, but I really don't care at this point, because seeing how much BS the staff got over this decision, you have to see their perspective. This topic is over. You made half of the staff team's morale be lowered, and along with that, you've pissed off Leo. May you be assimilated if you give crap to the staff.
Okay, did not expect this much hate etc. TNT's post really sums up what I kinda? mean: I want to really apologize to Quicksteve as I really didn't want you to feel stressed, annoyed etc. I just meant to have a discussion not an argument, although it may have looked like it.
The fact of the matter is that we have already discussed this topic on MULTIPLE threads. We need to stop talking about it because it's only angering the staff and all these threads are pointless. We're not going to change the new moderators just because particular players didn't like it. Just as the old saying goes, "you get what you get and you don't get upset".
I don't want them to change the new moderators, I just wanted to see if there to could be a resolution so that new players have a chance.
So I would also like to apologize to anyone I pissed off. I wasn't aiming to cause any anger, I was just trying to state my opinion. I do realize that what I said makes it look like I was agreeing with the whole "horrible choice in staff" argument. My opinions have changed as I view it from both sides. I am very sorry. @Quicksteve @Dusty
