Together as One

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Kaiziieee, Dec 26, 2015.

  1. TomBoiiWolfie

    TomBoiiWolfie Well-Known Member

    oi be hopeful lmao
    and maybe we aren't overthrowing but ayy close enough

     
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  2. FatherFan

    FatherFan Priest Mod combo Staff Member Moderator Penguin

    I mean, I'd be happy to get rehired, but I feel like I really shouldn't because of my past..
    Anyways, we have to agree on something here.
     
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  3. Wordguy

    Wordguy Shultz#7997 Staff Member Moderator Penguin

    Here's what I suggest (If I was Owner of BuildCraftia, and could do anything I want)

    -Demote MacMeBenny to Moderator, if not Penguin until he returns from his leave.
    -Promote A Moderator (DustyAshton, Maybe?) to Administrator
    -Give Moderators more power, i.e. Command Blocks. I feel like their power is growing very similar to the power of a Penguin.
    -Have a system where at least 1 admin has to approve a ban appeal/ban report, and 1 Owner for approving maps.
    -Finally get some new fun features (i.e. the Censor Command promised 3-4 months ago)
    -Finish "API", release a changelog of all the features added/fixed/removed since the start of the API creation.
    -Update DTC, PB, and PK with new Maps.
    -Add new features to Survival, maybe add some Mining Pits (Like Prison Servers do?)
    -Add Factions.
    -Don't announce a new release of a server BEFORE the server is done. Wouldn't it be cool to see "FACTIONS IS NOW OPEN!" and be able to play Factions that night?
    -Demote TemporarilyAlone and Kenreao to Penguin (Not MVP for their Long-Term Time)
    -Moderator Applications

    To be honest, Owner is too powerful, and Moderator and Admin are underpowerfull.
    #NerfOwners
    #OwnersWayTooOP

    These are my opinions.
     
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  4. Dry

    Dry Well-Known Member Retired Staff

    I still miss the skyping.....
    Ill just leave this here
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  5. Kaiziieee

    Kaiziieee Well-Known Member Retired Staff

    Didn't I state in my thread that I didn't want this to be a thread of argument? I wanted us to, all together, come up with something we could AGREE on, not something we could depict our feelings on and stab each other with. We all don't want the server to end up dying or gone right? We need a solution, and I'm going to get old saying it but if Zach never comes on again and we sit back and watch this forum page will be non existent. This is what we do all the time, and I would like to change that. All we do is argue, and we don't bother to find a solution. I think it's about time that that changes, and I can't do it all by myself. Someone needs to help.
     
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  6. yvagary

    yvagary Well-Known Member Penguin Retired Staff

    I don't understand why we don't get the point of the second argumentative point in this thread: Zach
    Yes yes he's the founder of the server whatever we've been over that
    But he doesn't do anything
    What is an owner if they're practically dead?
    CEO's of companies change when the person dies so what's the difference? Don't be a smart ass on that question or I will not hesitate to disown you
     
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  7. Wordguy

    Wordguy Shultz#7997 Staff Member Moderator Penguin

    My point exactly. Yes, "What is the difference if Mac is demoted?" -Dusty, the difference is that we'll have a major tilt in power. Rather then having lots of inactive Owners, you can have a few inactive Moderators, so I throw your words back @ you. What is the difference if Mac is demoted? There is a tilt in power.
     
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  8. yvagary

    yvagary Well-Known Member Penguin Retired Staff

    is that a good thing?
     
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  9. FatherFan

    FatherFan Priest Mod combo Staff Member Moderator Penguin

    what difference does it make when zach's not even here to be demoted. that's in no way hurting him, more like doing literally nothing.
     
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  10. Dusty

    Dusty Well-Known Member Penguin Retired Staff

    Word, that won't change anything. Let's think of this logically, like a math equation. If the power is 20 let's say for mods, and then owners and admins are lets say 80, but Mac is 0 because he doesn't come on. So if it's 20 vs, 80 + 0, if you shift that 0 to the 20 side, it literally changes nothing. If Mac isn't on, how does he have any power? Once he comes back, yes he will have power, but for now he has very limited to no power. It's like putting a cat in a box that has a chance of poisoning it, thus killing it. If you don't look under the box, you have no idea if the cat is alive or dead, but that second you look under the box, you know if it is either alive or dead. Before you look under the box, it's in an in between state, which has an equal likelihood that it will be either, A. dead, or B. alive.
     
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  11. yvagary

    yvagary Well-Known Member Penguin Retired Staff

    he won't be needed anymore
    that's what it does
     
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  12. Wordguy

    Wordguy Shultz#7997 Staff Member Moderator Penguin

    If it doesn't matter, why not? We're on two sides of a coin, I'm asking "why not", and Fan and Dusty and etc are asking "why"

    We're at an impass.

    This needs to be known: Until one of us can actually gain contact with MacMeBenny, we are slowly going to crash. The server in in-operable without him. We need Mac back, but he's not coming. We need to come to a compromise.

    Maybe demote Mac to Admin? xD
     
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  13. TomBoiiWolfie

    TomBoiiWolfie Well-Known Member

    word
    this.
     
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  14. JeremyC

    JeremyC Well-Known Member Retired Staff

    Seem I missed all the fun stuff D: Anyways, us bickering about mac won't do jack shit. We all know that. But the bottom line is that he is inactive, and shouldn't be trusted as an owner to do any big projects for the time being due to his inactivity. We also know that. The real question is how do we restructure staff to get it back to the qualities a staff team should have. I consider these attributes important to a staff team:

    • Efficiency
    • Activity
    • Structure (IE: good leadership within the staff team, one that leads the team but isn't overbearing or running staff like they are slaves)
    • Good amount of staff (Not to many, not to little)
    • Quality (Staff that know what they are doing)
    • Satisfaction within staff team
    • Good chemistry with themselves and the community
    Now, I feel that many of these, if not all, have been lost from the current staff body. This was one of the reasons I resigned, but I couldn't quite bring it to words I guess. The point being, there isn't really a true leader right now in the staff team who everyone can look up to other than Leo. But Leo can't run the server by himself. He's got a family, job, and is also our coder. Mac we've already mentioned so we will move past him. Azza is in the army. Jessie is an owner yes, but to be honest, she doesn't truly feel like one. I don't know if it's her not feeling comfortable in the position or something else, but I honestly didn't feel like she was an owner who I could talk to as an owner.

    The staffing body on the old version of Buildcraftia was much better. We had a good amount of staff for the amount of players we had. Up until the end stages of 2013 or so, most of the staff were what you would consider to be active. Staff also had a good chemistry in general with both the other staff members and the community. It really felt like one. The structure was also good as it got shit done with the server for the majority of it's lifespan.

    Although we can never go back to the old community, and the same people, we must strive to be what made us what we were. I feel that the vision has been diluted, and in any case, lost. Right now I feel like the only goal this server has is to survive, not thrive and improve. This is where we have cocked up. We can't be just surviving off the same people and the same community, otherwise it will eventually die out. We've already seen some notable members practically leave the community in the past 18 months. Fish, Henrik, Feven, Spencer, Southpawx among a few. As a server, we must really step up our game. This starts with the staff body.

    A good goal to start with is to establish a goal for the server, and staff itself. A great one for us at this current time would be to finish the API, and broaden our player base. A good goal for the staff body is to really establish an hierarchy. Another thing for staff to focus on is to stop making the mods feel stranded, and alone. Myself being a mod, I kind of felt like we were all alone on the staff team and that leadership wasn't there for us. This runs in tandem with establishing an hierarchy inside the staff body.

    That is my organized take on this whole situation.
     
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  15. NapkinDabber

    NapkinDabber Well-Known Member Retired Staff

    Just remember. Kicking Zach off the staff team= Stealing his server, which could bring up some serious legal issues especially since he deals with the money and area of hosting.

    Your choice to come up with logical thoughts.
     
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  16. Miner

    Miner Bye y'all Penguin Retired Staff

    I agree with some of you in that, Zach founded the server and brought it to us, through good and bad, as it is now. To demote him would be akin to taking his child. Although I do harbor some beliefs that Mac has reached the age where you either decide minecraft is cringy and become ashamed of it, or you embrace it, and that he is ashamed of it. I don't think he should be demoted because that's pointless. I think personally some of you have forgotten what Owner means.

    Feel free to completely destroy this idea but it might work well to go back to the old old system of few owners, several admins, then a few mods. That system worked fairly well and the entire load of the server didn't rest on 2 people.

    I think at some point in the near future, we really just need to have a big, civilized sit down and come up with a plan together, not just the staff. I do agree with Phoe that the idea of everyone working together is unrealistic because 1)Literally everyone on the server is a teenager and 2)Are hostile because the internet allows for that. I think that we do need a strict set of hierarchy but also to allow for more trust(e.g allowing mods to accept/deny maps)

    also while we're stating opinions, I'm going to open a thread to debate the topic of moderator selection, whether it should be through apps, nomination, or as Olo has been saying, campaigns.

    tl;dr Zach shouldn't be demoted, it might be a good idea to implement a new system of staff to take the load off Leo who is kinda pinned waiting for Zach to finish other server things(aka the whole reason he hasn't finished loading maps and server fixes).
     
  17. knewnie

    knewnie Well-Known Member Retired Staff

    Zach is not owner, he is the creator. he created the server, Leo and azza are the ones running it.
     
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  18. Kaiziieee

    Kaiziieee Well-Known Member Retired Staff

    BOOOOOOOOOM THERE IT IS!!!!! This is what I was trying to get across THANK YOU SO MUCH OH MY GOD

    May I please like this a thousand times
     
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  19. johnyman333

    johnyman333 The John Penguin

    Even though this is a very serious topic, heres something to soften the air.
    BCrightnowtho.png
    no offens plz
     
  20. KnownUnown

    KnownUnown Member

    Jesus christ it's a minecraft server
    What have you done
     
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