Together as One

Yah that's a big issue I was confuddling over we can't just steal his server

 

• I honestly really like that everyone on this thread is coming out and expressing their opinions, and I definitely agree with Phoenix, Yva, Fan, and Acer, and everyone that wrote their viewpoints on this thread. However, I'm veering towards the side that even though Zach hasn't been on for a month, we need a way to press on and continue to make our server grow. I love how Phoe went back and expressed some of Jeremy's points on his thread that he made a few months ago, and focused on the realistic side of things. He's opened up to me that although you can have a goal, it's also important to keep the realistic things set in the back of your head, so you aren't let down if anything happens. I agree with Yva and Acer on the fact that Zach will probably come on in two month or one month intervals, and if that's the case, then we need another way to solve the problems we're facing, or at least minimize them. However, Phoenix was right about something else: we all want these problems to be diminished, but there's such a little incentive that it makes fixing the problem nearly impossible. I've also identified a few problems, one of them being this: all of the owners have the power to fix minor and major problems, such as the nickname error in game, and approving/denying maps and builds for warps. However, all of these owners have excuses as to why they can't be as active, except Zach, and the mods and Nine are the most active staff members on the server. We are active, however, we cannot fix these problems because we don't have the permissions to. Therefore, nothing gets done. No, I am not saying that this is the owner's fault, for it is not anyone's fault, we just have to find a loophole to make the player's time on minecraft, and the staff's time on minecraft more enjoyable in entirety.

 

First off, I would like to state that the "I don't see how I could be incorrect" mentality is what is wrong here. How can we move forward, together, as a server if everyone thinks only their opinions are right and are so closed minded? We need to keep our minds open to new ideas and listen to people who don't agree with us. If you surround yourself with people who only agree with you, you'll only make that party happy and nobody else.

We just had Jessie promoted, didn't we?? I don't see a reason why we need 5 owners... even though Mac is inactive, 4 is a big enough number as it is. Maybe new admins, but not new owners.

 

and then they also say that "oh we don't need any maps" "we aren't accepting any"
when a few weeks earlier they told us to make some

make up your mind smh

 

The members can't change anything. If members try to do anything it's like a shout into the void. You can't make an impression without being a high up roll. Being a moderator doesn't even cut it - trust me I remember. Being a, what is now an Admin, doesn't cut it. Nothing cuts it unless you're the big four. To make anything be impressionable you have to be an owner. How can I just tell you all you don't matter? How can i just tell over half of the staff team they don't have a voice? The answer easy and it's not from my own keys.
"You are not administration so you do not have a place for [this]...I will demote you...if that will get it through your head."
Now that's not word for word, and I will not quote who said it, but that was from when I tried to vote for staff applications when I was a senior moderator. They said they would demote me to moderator if I didn't get it through my head that I could not vote for who the owners want. Now, that has long since changed, but the same rule applies: You do not have a voice unless you are high up authority.
You cannot change anything unless you have the authority.
Maybe I'm completely wrong but it seems as though nothing has happened without an owner. Mods can't set warps, can they? Last I checked, no. Can mods accept/deny maps? No. They can't. Because they don't trust the judgement of the lower class of staff. Who are they? The four.
Mod is just penguin without a world and a few extra perks and /mute /ban etc.
But maybe
Just maybe
If we all join
all of us
for one cause against all odds
we will get it through their heads
our voice will no longer be a shout into the void
we will be heard.
This may just be cheesy shit and yes at this point I am only an MVP, but I was a staff member once. I know.
Just think about this thread thoroughly and form it into your own opinions
and let us know
please
let us know.

 

So if we want a new owner, we require someone with:
- no bias towards high autority
- a sense of justice
- a will to hear and think over everyone's opinions
- care for the server and people that play on it
- enough maturity to handle the seriousness of the position
- experience
- server activity
- a bearable personality
Hope we find the one for the job, if the job is open that is.

 

welcome to planet earth

time for a rebellion put yo hands up ayy lmao

but like referring to the "the server needs a leader to move on!" thing then it's simple lol
why don't we just vote on a really rad responsible person to help the server out a bit
like they don't have to be perfect but if they can do "better than "the four"" or whatever then why not
and i know this might spark arguments and people might be like "lol well i wanted owner" then tough fricking luck because thats life so grow up lmao

also
its not stealing macs server
i mean he cant expect us to wait idly whilst he leaves for like a month and a half
we'll give it back when he comes back :^)

agreed
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see? we're already sorting stuff out wOOOO

 

oh no trust me we can steal the server

 

Another problem we have is the amount of people who can actually become staff and in that sense, owner. The vast majority of the dedicated playerbase consists of either retired staff who don't want to be staff again, people who aren't mature enough to be staff, and or, people who are too inactive to become staff. The staff body is already low in numbers as it stands today, and we just won't have enough people to become staff in the future. This is when us having no sense of direction becomes a problem. If we don't really have a direction for the server, then we won't have new people joining the server, and therefore, no new staff. Then if we don't get new staff, our old ones will eventually leave. If we don't have staff running the server, then any chance of us having a sense of direction for the server is ruined. You see the cycle? I may be over dramatizing it a little but this is quite honestly a problem that can't be ignored. Mac being inactive really attributed to this (although there is nothing we can do about it but scream our lungs out at him). So in reality, if something is to happen, it needs to happen quick. I hate to say that as Leo is working his ass off but this is when him not having help is once again is a problem for the server.

I will refer to johnnyman's criteria as a good start, but another thing that could help us is releasing new shit. I mean, new maps, new games, new everything, something.

 

Honestly I would become staff again but Zach has never liked me. He wanted me fired.

 

we can also ban every existing member
we can do lots of things
doesn't mean we should
but hey that's life right? ?

and also mac made this server (with help of others but hey he started the entire thing right?)
can't just steal it*
that's like someone spending years on something and you just come and take it

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also can i just say i used to be on a server when i was banned from here and the owner would also have real long absences but hey the server still carried on because their admins would do a bunch of stuff to move it on regardless of whether the owner agreed or not
they'd like legit just be like "yo i think this is relatively close to what we should be doing so hey let's just do it and if the owner doesn't like it then its his problem cuz he doesnt give us direction lmaooo"

soooo if they did it so can we :^)

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also @JeremyC there's a bunch of people who'd love to be staff too though tbh
like i dont know if you saw the mod nominations
a fair amount of them were mature (coming from me ya ik but imo they really were soOOO)

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i'd love to be staff but i really dont think thats a good idea sometimes oops

 

This doesn't even seem like an owned server at this point so theoretically yeah we can just overthrow zach because it doesnt seem like he cares about us enough

 

i'd agree but i think it's a bit soon
i mean its been almost 5 years (thanks for answering in chat lmao)
and hes been absent for a month

tbh
can someone not get chaz and tell him to go to zac and say
yo bro wake the fuck up get on bcsn they gon overthrow you lmao

 

But he's been gone for longer
and 1 month was the last time he showed up
hell knows if he was even on or if he just made an entrance and then left

 

It's not a mentality, Dusty. The whole point of the lists me and Zach drafted was to be open-minded as to the realistic future of the server! If you read it, you'd know the last point was 'Treat everyone's opinion with equal worth.' If you interpreted that as me enforcing my opinion on other people, then that is not the case. My point is that I don't see how anyone can deny the fact that a lack of leadership results in a slowing of progress; if we establish that middleground, then we can talk more clearly about the issue. If this still bothers you to a large extent then PM me or something.

And look at the huge progress we've made since that promotion

Leadership goes beyond requiring steady online-time, although it is a big factor. 4 is a big number - I'll give you that - but very little progress comes out of those 4, due to the fact that only 2 are active, while 1 of those has an adult life to live. Your suggestion of new admins instead of new owners goes against the point we've been making this entire time: no-one apart from the top 4 have influence.

Alternatively, I interpret your suggestion of new admins as ones that have greater powers - almost identical to that of an Owner - but without the official label in order for it not to look like we have too many Owners. If your suggestion was to have a better sense of leadership, then I completely agree with you, Dusty.

No-one's 'overthrowing' anyone ._.

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This is just turning into another one of those threads. Nothing's going to come of it, because nothing ever does

 

Some of these ideas you guys are coming with are ultra barbaric smh

 

says you

 

really not

EDIT: Honestly I just want the server to be successful.

"Phoenix why would you want that it's not even your serv-"

Because anyone who was here 2/3 years ago will remember just how much fun it was. Huge group calls of talented builders (DreamTeam <3 ); builds by insanely talented users; large player counts, etc. It was all ruined when Arcadia came - the server's almost 1/10th of what it was.

I could use the cheesy, "I want other people to have as much fun as I did," idea but honestly BC was a great environment to make friends and build a community, & it's what got me into gaming. That's all I want: some sense of community and fun ._.

 

riOT